Swaziland RPCV Chris Matthews tells Wesley Clark "If either of these guys had spent 15 minutes in the Peace Corps, they would have known that Third World people don‘t like First World people coming in with tanks and yelling orders and taking over their country."



Swaziland RPCV Chris Matthews tells Wesley Clark "If either of these guys had spent 15 minutes in the Peace Corps, they would have known that Third World people don‘t like First World people coming in with tanks and yelling orders and taking over their country."

MATTHEWS: Well, let‘s talk about some of those people.

We had Rumsfeld on a couple of weeks ago. It was about a month now ago. And I asked him what surprised him. He said, I‘m surprised there was this occupation with all of this negativity. He was surprised at all. And we also had—we had Wolfowitz, the deputy secretary of defense, a week ago or so saying, I‘m surprised at their impatience.

If either of these guys had spent 15 minutes in the Peace Corps, they would have known that Third World people don‘t like First World people coming in with tanks and yelling orders and taking over their country.

CLARK: Well, Chris, both those people are in very difficult positions and they don‘t want to admit the mistakes that they made.

They were warned. Everybody was warned. Everybody in the administration was warned about what was likely to happen afterwards. A lot of us testified, a lot us talked to them privately. And they said it wasn‘t their concern, it wasn‘t their job. They blew it away.

MATTHEWS: Yes.

CLARK: And by, the way, it doesn‘t stop with Rumsfeld. It goes right up to the commander in chief. And that is where I think we need to start when we are looking at how to put a new policy in place.